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Keith Conover
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I say this as a long-time UX dweeb (used to be a coder, got progressively more meta over the decades). I am new to ClipboardFusion, which provides a valuable perspective, to have a UX dweeb look at your product from a naive perspective. I was a longtime user of ClipMate (? decades) which is now abandonware (last update ~10 years ago) and not really compatible with Windows 11. Which is too bad, I really liked it and depended on it. So I looked through the various competitors to ClipboardFusion and none measured up. The quality of your discussion forums and in particular the ability to import macros, and a robust macro language and repository, convinced me to pay for ClipboardFusion and invest time in learning it.
I'm right now trying to recreate some fairly simple functionality of ClipMate in ClipboardFusion. You'd think it would be easy, but nooooo, it's not. What I want to do is have ClipboardFusion make one sound when it copies text to the clipboard, and another sound when I ask it to copy something it just copied. (Other things for later, but start off simple.)
The Working with Triggers help section here starts addressed to those who used the previous version. I don't care about that. Have you heard of the UX principle of information hiding? If so, that's information that should be hidden from new users like me. I don't care and it just confuses me. Hide it behind a link so it's there for those upgrading.
I read this in Working with Triggers: "Trigger Command Received" event will fire when the Trigger command (specified on the Triggers tab or via the ClipboardFusion tray icon). And where, pray tell, is this "Triggers tab"? Is this in Settings > Triggers (Scrub/Replace)? Hmm, that must be it. But I don't see a way to say "Trigger: text copied to clipboard." If I click "Add" at the bottom, I get an Edit Trigger dialog box. Under "Event" I see "Trigger Command Received." OK, this sound promising. There's way too much stuff in this dialog box – a bit more information hiding might be in order – but I click on it, as it's a dropdown list. Hmmm. Nothing on that list says anything like "text copied to clipboard." I will have to look elsewhere. "Match Conditions" down below, well, that sounds promising.
But wait, why do those last three of five fill-in boxes have gunsight icons next to them? Click, click, click. They don't do anything. OK, no idea why they are there, ignore them for now. Sometimes enigmatic icons have a hover state with a tooltip… nope, these don't. Oh well, cute icons even if they seem totally useless. Hmmm, the bottom two fill-in boxes have question-mark-in-a-circle icons for help. But they do nothing when I click them. Hmmm. There is another question-mark-in-a-circle icon at the bottom left with a down-arrow signifying a list of help items.
I click that, but none of the dropdowns give any specific help for this dialog box.
Well, let's try the Add buttcon at the bottom right, maybe that's how we add a trigger like "text copied to clipboard." Aha! It won't let me specify a trigger, apparently this is just for adding something executed when the trigger is detected. Sigh. But at least "Play sounds" is in that list, so it offers some hope that I might get this to work, very eventually.
I hate to say this, as an ex-coder, but I can't figure out how to do what I want in this dialog box. Anyone willing to help me?
Thank you.
Jan 31, 2023 (modified Jan 31, 2023)  • #1
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C# Clouseau
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An answer from a former ClipMate-user. And using Clipboard Fusion for about a month now. A very good replacement. Yes, it is not perfect, but the BFS-team is taking care of all the discussions and we have to be patient waiting for future releases. In one of them it would be nice to have an easy check box for a sound on copying and one on pasting. But for now, you have to do it on your own.

For a sound on copying, it is a kind of easy.
In Settings, select the tab Triggers (Scrub/Replace). Click Add and select Trigger. The default check boxes are ok, but I should disable “Process this Trigger if the Clipboard contains filenames” but check it out. In the Actions screen at the bottom you can click Add and select, for example, Play sound and then choose one, like “C:\Windows\Media\Windows Print complete.wav”, but it can be any sound you want and any location. Don’t forget to select when the trigger should run (“Trigger Command Setting”). I have it on: “Run Triggers on double-copy”, so pushing Ctrl-C twice. And I love the double ctrl-C. Now I can do a simple ctrl-C and copied as it is and I can do a double copy which is cleaned immediately (in my case no hidden codes, no redundant spaces, no tabs et cetera).

A sound on pasting is more difficult, you need in any case a macro. That is still easy and you can run that macro on a hot key. So in the History list you can click your hot key that runs the macro for the selected item. The macro is simple because it is [1] a command to paste (see the various examples: https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Macros/) and [2] a command to play a sound. The last one should be there, but it doesn’t work. I have posted a discussion on that item and it has to be fixed (so let’s wait for a future release, and ClipboardFusion is by far abandonware ....).

This one should do the paste: “BFS.Clipboard.PasteText(text);” (see: https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Macros/Help/#bfsClipboardPaste and https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Macros/Help/#bfsClipboardPasteText) and this one the sound: “BFS.Audio.PlayWAV("C:\windows\media\Windows Print complete.wav");” but it doesn’t (see: https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Macros/Help/#bfsAudioPlayFile and the discussion started by me).

So for the time being .... play it by the .... notification. A workaround could be the before suggested “PasteMacro” and then a notification (I am using Windows 11, no idea in 10 and before), but this works for me, “BFS.Dialog.ShowTrayMessage(“Paste and play a sound”);”, see: https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Macros/Help/#bfsDialogShowTrayMessage, because then Windows will produce the sound if you enabled notifications for ClipboardFusion. And yes, you cannot choose the sound, Mr Gates will do it for you.
Feb 1, 2023  • #2
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@C#Clouseau covered everything pretty well. Adding in a setting for sounds on copy/paste automatically is an interesting idea, I'll add that to our feature request list.

The crosshairs in the trigger window should have a tooltip on hover, I've added that to our list to fix up.

Thanks!
Feb 1, 2023  • #3
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Keith Conover
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Thank you C# Clouseau! I was able to get a sound for clipboard capture, which was my main request.
And since I really wanted to have my Clipmate sounds back – though I did cut the volume in half as I didn't want them so prominent – I saved those softer sounds, and anyone can download them from http://www.conovers.org/ftp/Clipboard-Sounds.zip.
And I agree, looking at the growing list of macros, and the high-quality discussion forum is what made me decide to switch to ClipboardFusion. I find the UX a bit disappointing, but given the apparent quality of this dev team compared with the competition I could find online, I expect it to improve. And I'm willing to help which is why I posted such a long and detailed post.
(If you're part of the dev team, such posts can be both painful and helpful. I apologize for the former.)
You didn't say which of the 17 (seventeen) other clickable things on this screen I should click to set the trigger that I want, which is "text copied to clipboard." I picked "Cliboard text" and then "Is Not Empty" but really, most of the time isn't it full? No, that didn't work.
I now understand better how to use this screen, which was not at all apparent to me on inspection. This dialog box suffers from Chinese Menu Syndrome (see https://ed-informatics.org/2012/07/10/menu/). It would benefit from some information hiding: break it up into several smaller diaglog boxes with the first simply listing buttons for the essential parts of creating a trigger, in the order in which most people's mental model would suggest: first what triggers the action, and then the action; maybe just these two things with a little bit of additional configuration options. Hide the rest of the configuration behind these buttons, to do a better job of hiding your implementation model. See: https://ed-informatics.org/2010/02/11/medical-computing-10/.
I need a sound on copying, as it's invisible on the screen. I want audible confirmation – likely at a subsconscious level – that the text I selected got to the clipboard. Not su much for pasting. As feedback so I quit doing it, I want an audible confirmation that says "Hey, idiot, you alreay copied this to the clipboard. You can stop it any time now." But pasting I can see, don't need a sound for that. A sound for appending, which is also invisible on the screen, would be nice as well. Also for scrubbing text. Since I am used to clicking something at the bottom of my screen to remove line endings – the most important part of scrubbing text, for example from PDFs which I do all the time, is that (remember I'm a university professor and need to quote PDF articles all the time).
"Trigger command setting"? That may mean something to the development team – implementation model thinking in text – I would suggest (a) eliminating the words "setting" and "command" and instead put this as "Triggered by:" I would have understood that right away. And that should come visually before "Action:"
OK, at this point, I admit I'm stumped and need more help. I can't find the trigger I want anywhere in this screen. Oh, wait, I finally went back to the top and found the option in the dropdown list, "Clipboard Changed". That wasn't what I was looking for, but it works!
Thanks to you and to all of those participating in the forum and the entire development team, especially Owen, who read my text quickly after I posted.
Feb 2, 2023  • #4
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Keith Conover
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I forgot. For those sounds that I used in Clipmate and that you can download from the previous forum message,, here is the key:
 Text Captured > Capture
 Ignored as already captured > Ignore
 Appended to previous capture > Append
 Erased > Erase
 Network update by another user > Sonar
 Outbound Clip Filter > Blip
These are not coyrighted, anyone can use them.
Feb 2, 2023  • #5
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C# Clouseau
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As far as I can "see" all Tray Icon Notifications in ClipboardFusion are without a sound. You can enable or disable Tray Icon Notification in Advanced Settings. If I am right about NO sound, it would be nice to have (1) a sound-setting for Tray Icon Notification, and (2) for the macro environment a second argument for sound or not: BFS.Dialog.ShowTrayMessage("My Text",[sound en/disabled]) My suggested macro-workaround for a sound on pasting won't work, so even Mr Gates will keep quiet. And we have to wait for BFS.Audio.PlayFile("C:\\Windows\\Media\\Windows Notify.wav") and/or BFS.Audio.PlayWAV("C:\\Windows\\Media\\Windows Notify.wav") to work, because now, they don't (see earlier discussion elswhere).
Feb 5, 2023  • #6
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C# Clouseau
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How strange. No sound on CF-notification was on my laptop. On my desktop, however, I have a sound from Mr Gates:-) In my case one for running a macro (CF-settings, tab Tray Icon Settings) and one for the command BFS.Dialog.ShowTrayMessage() in the macro itself. Why the difference between laptop and desktop??? No idea, but I can live with it.
Feb 5, 2023  • #7
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@KeithConover Glad to hear you got it working, for future reference we have a guide that explains that window here: https://www.clipboardfusion.com/Help/#Settings-Triggers-Edit. I like the idea for the trigger command text update as well, I've added it to our list.

@C#Clouseau Strange, are you getting the notification to appear on each computer?
Feb 9, 2023  • #8
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C# Clouseau
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@Owen. Maybe misunderstanding. I have notification enabled in Windows and in Triggers and macros I have CF-Tray notification. So exactly what I want. Only on my laptop no sound but with notifications. No sound can be everything. No big deal, My real life is at my desktop.
Feb 9, 2023  • #9
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Sorry, I'm not quite following. Is your tray notification not playing a sound but you want it to? Or it is playing a sound but you don't want it to?
Feb 14, 2023  • #10
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C# Clouseau
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Everything is oké. The trouble is at my side, my laptop is not playing a sound where it should play one. On my desktop computers there is no problem. So nothing to worry about.
Feb 17, 2023  • #11
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Ok, sounds good!
Feb 17, 2023  • #12
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
We've released a new beta that should have the playwav issue fixed up, along with the tooltip on crosshair hover. If you run into any issues after updating, please let us know.

Thanks!
Feb 24, 2023  • #13
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